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Run and Sell That

He's climbin' in yo' AH
he's snatchin' yo auctions up
Tryin'a' steal 'em so y'all need to
hide yo' glyphs, hide yo' scrolls
hide yo' glyphs, hide yo' scrolls
hide yo' glyphs, hide yo' scrolls
and hide yo 'Faire cards
'cause he's un'ercuttin' errbody out here

You don't have to come and confess
we lookin' at you
We gonna wall you
we gonna wall you

So you can run and sell that
run and sell that
run and sell that, homeboy
home, home, homeboy

We got yo' name
You done made offhands and all
You are so dumb
you are really dumb - for real

He's climbin' in yo' AH
he's snatchin' yo auctions up
Tryin'a' steal 'em so y'all need to
hide yo glyphs, hide yo scrolls
hide yo glyphs, hide yo scrolls
hide yo glyphs, hide yo scrolls
and hide yo 'Faire cards
'cause he's un'ercuttin' errbody out here



(I demand that someone sing this song! I have no singing talent.)

Elitist Jerks

Why do people assume that because of the name and the strict rules, the users on this site are actually jerks? The site has an amusing name, and a clear focus that should be the point of all posts. Why does quality control make contributing users "jerks" and "unkind"?

I've been informed that EJ's Banhammer forum is unkind. Why is it unkind to mock people who were asked to read rules upon signing up, and then flagrantly ignored them? I've never seen a truly unkind post in EJ directed at someone who took the time to actually read the rules when they signed up. Maybe that says something.

Do you have a grudge?

I am not the kind of person to hold grudges or get angry over the Auction House. It's PVP for cold-blooded people - it requires planning, long-term strategy, book and street smarts, and a bit of luck. I have a few friends who get pissy about their competitors, but I'm not like that. Sure, I might have cursed a few's mothers, but I'd still have a beer with them and laugh about it.

Except for one guy.

We used to be in a guild together, where I secretly competed with him through an AH alt. Once he found out we had a chuckle, but he was eventually kicked from the guild for being pushy, loudmouthed and a bit of a dick. I still see him around, and I still see him wrestle with the AH and trade almost daily. (I say wrestle because when we were in guild he mentioned struggling at it, and sometimes I see him selling stuff for bizarre prices.)

The thing is, he is polite to me on my main. I've told him off for poor behavior in /2 before and he was courteous towards me. When my main isn't around, though, I've seen the same bad attitude he inflicts on other denizens of trade chat directed towards me.

He uses the dismissive "bro" language a lot, which is a pet peeve of mine. Sometimes he's polite to my alts buying things from him. Other times he is a rude POS. Today was one of the latter times. He was advertising some Raging Behemoth's Shoulderplates in trade for 3000g (quite a steal...though he reserves all BoE's from his ICCs for himself, a practice I've never participated in). Since he knew the alt I was on, I hopped onto my glyph banker in UC, who is a level one with no hearthstone.

I whispered him and said, "I'll buy for 3000g, but I'm in UC with no hearthstone. :(" I saw him get to Dal and port to UC. When he got through the portal, though, he just sat there and said, "I'm in UC. You can run to me." I was on the other side of Undercity with no mount, and he chose to idle on his Mechano-hog.

Maybe he was chatting or something. Knowing this guy, though, I would wager gold that he was just being an asshole. When people are buying from me, I make a point to go to them, especially for a multi-thousand gold item...even more so if they are obviously a banker with limited transportation. I almost dropped group then and there, but a quick poke in the AH showed no other shoulders up and I decided the pleasure of flipping the item for 4000g profit far outweighed the scorn I have for him.


Do you have a grudge against a player? Do you completely ignore them and refuse to buy their goods, or do you seek them out in hopes of ripping them off?


(Edit, just sold the shoulders for 6145g....a 3145g profit just by waiting 5 hours.)

/laugh

hate whispers!

Got a hate whisper on my JC poster today. =D YAY. It FUELS ME!

[08/07/2010]
11:44 [Itsachicken]: are u some kind of chink? u literally uncut ppl every 10 mins
11:45 [>my bank<]: excuse m?
11:45 [>my bank<]: me*
11:45 [>my bank<]: are you some kind of asshole?
11:45 [Itsachicken]: go way overboard with the undercutting and every other jc hates u for it
11:45 [Itsachicken]: kinda why u dont use your main to do it
11:45 [>my bank<]: Personally I don't care what someone who can't spell thinks.
11:45 [>my bank<]: well if you looked at my gems it says my main's name right on it.
11:45 [>my bank<]: But you're not that smart so yeah.
11:46 [Itsachicken]: well i dont buy your gems obviously and other jcs dont either
11:46 [>my bank<]: no shit lol
11:46 [Itsachicken]: so how would i know then? u just made yourself look like a complete idiot by saying that
11:46 [>my bank<]: Thanks for the entertainment. I am American and I don't bot, I'm just better than you.
11:47 [Itsachicken]: not better just more determined idc about gold as much is all
11:47 [>my bank<]: then why are you whispering me?
11:47 [Itsachicken]: because u undercut every 10 mins and thats playing like a chink
11:47 [>my bank<]: That's what i thought.
11:47 [>my bank<]: lol
11:47 [>my bank<]: you are a ridiculous racist.
11:48 [>my bank<]: I'll watch out for your auctions to undercut them specially now <3
11:48 [Itsachicken]: if u ever boguht gold or talked to a farmer of gold their 99% asian
11:48 [>my bank<]: I don't buy gold
11:48 [Itsachicken]: carelvl = low
11:48 [Itsachicken]: well obv u dont buy gold lol
11:49 [>my bank<]: /wave
Itsachicken is ignoring you.



edit: I should note that I post gems about 3 times a day. Once in the morning, once before raid, and once before bed. Hardly every 10 minutes.

server prejudices

I often see posts on the WoW forums about "bad" servers - servers which are apparently full to bursting with arrogant, immature, trolling, griefing and thieving players. I don't put much stock in such threads, because the crushing majority of my dungeon groups are pleasant and smooth no matter where the members are from. As an exercise, however, I went through my ignore list and marked down how many people I had ignored from which realm.

Alexstrsza - 1
Blackhand - 5
Cho'gall - 11
Destromath - 6
Dethecus - 7
Garona - 1
Gorgonnash - 1
Hellscream - 1
Illidan - 17
Kael'thas - 5
Stormreaver - 1
Spinebreaker - 1


Interesting...

Mechano-hog Mamba

I've sold two of the three Mechano-hogs I received in exchange for that bear, so today I went the old-fashioned route: spamming in Trade. It was very entertaining, especially the people who thought 5000g was a reasonable price for an item which costs over 12500 in vendor mats alone. There was also a particularly funny troll who viciously proclaimed that hogs are ugly and "anyone who wants one got it a year ago." (Obviously incorrect since I sold two in a week.) Upon inspection I noted that he did not have the Get to the Choppa! achievement. His opinion? Or jealousy? Methinks the lady doth protest too much....

:P

Thanks for the 1000 pageviews!

great guide to negotiating

Check out Saate's Guide to Making Deals, it elaborates and explains a lot of the strategies I use myself, especially when flipping items or selling things like Rituals of the New Moon through Trade chat.

I'm on wow.com!

I literally gasped/squeaked out loud when I scrolled down to see this today! That's my screenshot of me on my hippo! EEEEEE!

Of course I entered to win another one, and perhaps some other loot! \o/

risky business

I just picked up a Big Battle Bear for 25000g from a fellow freshly back to the game. However! My main already knows this mount, thanks to some fortuitous pack pickings by my boyfriend, so I'm gonna try and flip it. TCG mounts don't often come to my server, except for about 5 Blazing Hippogryphs. Hopefully I can sell it for 40k+.


edit: Got an offer for 50000. Double my money!

Hilt flip again

Snagged another Battered Hilt through trade, this one for 6000g. Right now the bid on it is at about 6800g, so not a huge profit but still worthwhile.

I understand why some people turn Trade channel off, but I never could - I would miss out on the best deals I get. Whenever people start linking certain legendary weapons or "anal" I make generous use of the "Report Spam" and the ignore features. Then it's back to scouring for more stuff to buy!

borderline spammers

(Cross posted to JMTC forums.)

There is a guy who posts over 8 pages of Infinite Dust singles every day. Now, I know varying stack size is fair play in the AH, but with THAT MANY auctions it's freaking maddening trying to find the bigger stacks. -_- I've complained through tickets twice now, and I hope they're looking into it.

The reason I opted to report to a GM is because I have heard that people posting Iceblade Arrow singles have received warnings not for scamming, but for spamming. That many pages of a single item can be considered disruptive (hell, it's disruptive enough for me to report it) and GM intervention can be called upon.

I really hope they ding this guy. >:(


Have you ever been formally warned for something like this? Or have you brought the wrath of the heavens upon a foe?

ugh

This past weekend has marked the end of an age for me. About 5 other people have suddenly decided to start selling ICC leatherworking boots...which wouldn't be a problem if they undercut by reasonable amounts instead of 800g.

I've decided to just sell off the boots I have at discount prices and only make another pair if the other crafters get bored and leave. Unlike with plate boots, leather/mail boots move slowly no matter what the cost, so you might as well sell them a bit higher. The average Quick-buck Chuck doesn't get that, and wants to sell them fast...even if he is losing money by selling the boots at less than material cost.

As a healer I like to tell people, "You can't heal stupid." You can't reason with it, cajole it, or get frustrated with it either, so in the face of mass stupidity the best course of action is to bow out.

my first hilt flip

I've never seen a Battered Hilt at a decent "flipping price" before, since they go for about 7.5-9k on my realm. Two days ago, though, I picked one up for 5000 off a fellow who was probably excited to be getting epic flying from it. I just sold it today for 7300g - another lesson in patience for the determined auctioneer. :)

poor again QQ

I've been trying to get a Blazing Hippogryph mount for a while, but the last one I saw was the same week I was buying my Crimson Deathcharger. Among some chat in guild tonight, though, someone linked it and asked, "WTF is this?" I rushed to transfer gold to my richest toon and bought it out for 120k. OUCH. I have 73.3k left. =( But it was worth it. Time to get crackin' on gold again... Glad I bought so many supplies this week or I would feel even worse stocking up for Tuesday.

Advanced Beggars

We have all seen beggars in World of Warcraft before - usually the lowbie in Orgrimmar yelling, "HI CAN I HAVE 1G PLEASE" or even whispering you specifically looking for some free cash. They are generally reviled by all and reported for spamming or put on ignore.

But how do you deal with the beggars who have "graduated," so to speak?

What I am talking about specifically are people who know you, know you are rich, and try to raise prices of items in order to make you pay more.

This is one of the most annoying and infuriating issues I have been dealing with, because these people are members of my guild.

I have been raiding with my guild for almost a year now and am healing officer. I am social and "loud" and like to chat. People know that I'm wealthy - not least because two weeks ago I bought Reins of the Crimson Deathcharger and loaded the guild bank up with 50k gold (the other 50k went to the Shadowmourne bearer), gold which is paying for repairs for the rest of the expansion. I run GDKPs weekly which guildmates attend. My money is not a secret.

What happens, though, is people see that money and think to themselves, "She has so much, I bet she doesn't mind if I ask for a bit more for ___." The problem there is that I didn't get my cash by being ripped off.

The more pressing issue at the moment is game cards. I've regularly bought cards in the past from guildies for 6000g. Last week my boyfriend's account ran out and I have been trying in vain to get my hands on a card, mostly hampered by people using smirky smilies on our forums and saying, "Well maybe you should offer 9000...."

Frankly I would rather quit than get gipped out of my money by greedy "friends."

I think it is very important to stand by one's price and stick to it. Letting a "seller" try and strong-arm you out of a price is a recipe for disaster and gives the impression of being easily manipulated, an impression that, as a goblin and a female, I definitely do not want to give.

Sadly this attitude has become so common and so frustrating in my guild that I am considering quitting. Unfortunately there are no other end-game raiding, female-friendly guilds on my server (the horror stories I've heard from other women are depressing). I'm not sure what to do right now. I cannot afford a server transfer, and I cannot afford to buy time with cold hard real-life cash. (I am not so financially fortunate in the real as I am in WoW.) If I cannot play with my boyfriend, I don't want to play at all, either. In this case, it seems, the beggars have "won."

leatherworking for ICC, and being polite

My primary alt is a leatherworker and a skinner. Skinning is mostly useless but I like having it around to convert leather and as a time killer when I'm in the dungeon queue. I do not have a blacksmith, and my tailor is level 65 and therefore doesn't have access to ICC crafting recipes. I hate not having a BS but I am disinterested in leveling another character before Cataclysm, so for now I can only /sigh whistfully at my guildies selling crafted boots (apparently they just fly off the shelves).

I have become decently adept at using my leatherworking to make money - no small task, since it is often labeled the worst money-maker of the gear-making professions. I don't craft leg armors, because I find them tedious to sell. Instead, I have always specialized in crafting high-end raiding gear. Through most of ToC I sold wrists and some chest pieces for great profit, but recently I've found them to be too difficult to move. Same with Ulduar recipes - I used to make a decent 1500g profit off of leather belts but the last one I crafted took a month to sell. So what do I focus on now?

• BOOTS!
  I sell 1-2 ICC boots a week - on high-traffic nights (Tuesday and Sunday) I've even sold out of all my boots in the span of an hour. I keep one of each in stock with spare mats to craft more if necessary. Since I am the only person selling these items on my server, I aim my price higher than that of my blacksmithing brethren. BS boots cost approximately 4k to make and sell for 5k-5.5k. My boots also cost approximately 4k to make, but in trade I sell for 5.5k flat out, and in the AH they are listed for 5.7k bid and 6k buyout.
  
  About half of the sales I make are through a bid. Make sure your bid is an acceptable price to you, because I guarantee you, people will bid in an effort to save that 300 gold. Make your buyout price your dream price, and the bid price your standard price - you'll never be disappointed.
  
  
• Crafting while sitting around.
  I never link my profession in trade and advertise that I'm crafting. I simply keep an eye on the chat channels and jump to help people who are looking for a LW to make gear. While waiting in a DPS queue this can be up to a 500g profit just for sitting around and clicking "craft." The average tip is 100g-200g.

But what about that other thing in the title today? Polite? Manners? Barf!

To be a good salesperson, you need to be polite. It's a requirement. Even if I get the most obnoxious dude ever trying to argue mat price with me, I am still polite - not only because that dude might bitch in trade if I tear him a new one, but because it's good practice.

Being polite and using a lot of emotes like ^^, :), :D, :3, /hug, /cheer, and so on, will get people to like you and remember you. I've had several instances where even if people turned down my price, they came back later and had me craft or bought from me because they remembered my good attitude.

A little helping of wit doesn't hurt either, especially for deflecting trolls. Someone once tried to pull scare tactics on me, insulting me and saying, "I'm going to post naked goat pictures all over your forums."

"Go for it," I replied, "I love draenei!"

"If a draenei ****ed you, what kind of babies would you have?"

"Why, little trolls with hooves of course."

Surprisingly, this got a chuckle out of them, and they left me alone. So keep a smile on your face and a laugh up your sleeve - in my experience, it's always beneficial.

Oopsie!

I'll be honest and tell you that I don't pay much attention to my server's glyph market. It's fairly common practice among scribes to watch one's competitors, add them to one's friend list, and watch for patterns to determine who is whose alt. This allows one to post after they log out, decreasing the chance you'll be quickly undercut.

I don't cancel/relist, it is too time-intensive for me, so I do a waterfall posting. I post, wait 1-2 hours, come back, post again, so all my glyphs stay up. The only time this is annoying is in the morning when all my glyphs have expired, but for the time I save it's a small price to pay.

However I've never really watched other folks. Before the ban wave there were a couple persistent glyph-bots on my server, but once they were out of the way profits steadily increased. Lately I have noticed my auctions getting undercut more frequently but again, I didn't really pay attention...


...until I got a whisper on one of my glyph alts from an unknown rogue. Apparently there is a new fella in our market who is posting all his glyphs at a max of 25g, even popular glyphs that can sell for 70g or more. Rogue fellow was combating it by buying all his 20g auctions and relisting them for higher (something that I consider too risky to do). I did a quick Auctioneer scan and indeed, his highest price is 25g. Ouch.

I am simply going to keep undercutting by 1c. Profits are still okay, and my hunch is that this deep undercutter is either going to get bored, or is going to run out of gold or, more likely, materials. A couple herb botters are active but I have a huge backstock and am still buying herbs daily at the right price. My cost to make is about 60s so my minimum to sell is 70s.

The funny part, though, is this guy was rattling off whose glyphs alts he thought were one person's. He grouped one of mine with another guy, but he did manage to get B. and my scribe together. lol! He also said he was going to try and price reset and not post until 8....so now that I'm done posting I'll try and come back in an hour or so and cancel/repost to get prices back up. Can't really hurt to try, eh?